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PaulHoule · 2025-02-06 · Original thread
Can animals be moral? by Rowlands

https://www.amazon.com/Can-Animals-Moral-Mark-Rowlands/dp/01...

Also Analysis of the Self by Kohut

https://www.amazon.com/Analysis-Self-Psychoanalytic-Narcissi...

which is difficult going but helps draw a circle around the concept of "self-centeredness"

coldtea · 2015-11-05 · Original thread
>umans are not born moral because morality is a human intellectual construct and is taught. Nature, without humanity, is neither moral nor amoral, it is just nature.

That's not exactly accurate. For one, animals are also capable of handling "intellectual constructs" (even if less complex) and teaching them to their offspring or herd.

Some starters: http://www.amazon.com/Can-Animals-Moral-Mark-Rowlands/dp/019...

http://www.amazon.com/Moral-Lives-Animals-Dale-Peterson/dp/1...