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spodek · 2020-01-02 · Original thread
> the costs of de-carbonising the economy

Global warming is important, but only one environmental problem, so important to consider here, but not the only environmental issue.

Contributing to every environmental issue, including this one, is overpopulation. Humans have altered every continent, reducing biodiversity, introducing species that don't handle local climates as well, or too well and displace existing ones, making extinct species, and so on. I'm no expert, but the situation in Australia looks related to huge cities and lots of farms supporting a much larger human population than had ever lived there reducing biodiversity and resilience to fire, exacerbated by global warming.

People fear discussing overpopulation because they only know of China's policy and eugenics, as did I until I learned of the successful, non-coercive policies of Thailand, Iran, Mexico, etc that increased peace, prosperity, and stability.

I first learned of successful noncoercive birthrate reducing policies through Alan Weisman's excellent Countdown, and of the critical importance of population through Limits to Growth

Those examples show that we can peacefully and stably lower birth rate to increase peace and prosperity and ease all other environmental problems. Steady-state following de-growth works more successfully on a full finite planet than pushing economic and population growth forever, which exacerbates problems like these and increases their impact on humans and other wildlife.

spodek · 2019-12-24 · Original thread
Once you see environmental problems as, despite each being unique, mostly arising from overpopulation, you can't help substitute for the proximal cause "overpopulation".

> The scramble for sand is destroying the Mekong


> Overpopulation is destroying the Mekong

You might add "one way is the scramble for sand" though there are plenty others.

Learning about various nations' successful, noncoercive programs to lower birthrate that are as far from China's policy, forced abortions, or eugenics as day from night, and that increased prosperity and happiness, leads you to embrace such programs. The book Countdown by Alan Weiss describes several such programs, including in Thailand, Iran, Costa Rica, Mexico, and others.

The most effective solution to the Mekong situation, however partial, is contraception and family planning education.

spodek · 2019-11-27 · Original thread
The best book I've read on population is Countdown by Alan Weiss If you think we need to grow or that leveling off to 10 billion or even 7 billion helps, you'll appreciate reading the book.

Among other points, he recounts several nations that have lowered birthrate without coercion to greater abundance, prosperity, and joy -- Thailand, for example.

It inspired me to 3 podcast episodes on lowering birth rate: episodes 248, 250, and 251

Also Limits to Growth's 30 year update

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