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teh_klev · 2014-07-05 · Original thread
Ian McEwan's "Sweet Tooth" [0] was partly inspired by the CIA's secret funding of Encounter magazine [1].

He also makes reference to to Frances Stonor Saunders' [2] book "Who Paid the Piper?: CIA and the Cultural Cold War" [3] which is about CIA funded cultural manipulation (on my bookshelf, but only dipped into it a bit).

Fascinating stuff.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Tooth_(novel)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_(magazine)

[2]: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1862073279

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

sedachv · 2010-08-17 · Original thread
Let me explain:

Do you know how if you read any article on the United States online today, there are people who comment "OMG Obama is causing the downfall of America"? Anytime a political topic comes up on Hacker News, someone will come out and say "OMG totalitarianism is evil." No original thought, and nothing even remotely relevant to the core issues of the topic. These morons are the same, their views come from Fox news or equivalent tripe.

This particular one was really amusing to troll; I enjoyed his Pol Pot Disneyland story. There is nothing cynical or cruel in that remark - I really do believe that (for some reasons why, this is a good place to start: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/forget.html).

"Are you suggesting that the article is wrong in stating that the Japanese believed that the Americans would treat them better if they surrendered to them rather than the Russians?"

This is exactly why these Reagan zombies are so annoying. They've managed to shift the topic of discussion from Japan's plan for a USSR-mediated peace treaty (which is actually the novel point of the article), to "OMG EVIL RUSKIES" idiocy turned "fact" turned bad cliche paid for by the CIA (http://www.amazon.com/Who-Paid-Piper-Cultural-Cold/dp/186207...). Even the topic of American vs Soviet occupation is completely bypassed - right away the discussion shifts to "collectives are evil, and fuck and downmod you if you say different". They're very effective at re-framing the discussion into something superficially similar, but really a completely unrelated, cliched trope where they know the outcome ("BUT THINK OF THE CAMBODIAN BABIES!!!"). What the fuck does Cambodia have to do with this article?

It's pointless to argue with them - the course of discussion has been tread and re-tread for over 65 years thanks to US sponsorship of right-wing think tanks, and the shape and conclusions ("OMG YOU'RE A NATIONALIST, NO WAIT, MORAL RELATIVISM IS WRONG") have already been determined and they know that. The only appropriate response is to troll and enjoy the lulz.

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